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FIRST HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION PROGRESS REPORT
Folger, Frykowski, Parent, Polanski, Sebring

http://www.charliemanson.com/documents/ ... port-1.htm

Reading the Homicide report something jumpped out to rather strongly. Folger, Frykowski were no saints. These two were heavly into drug abuse and Fryhowski was on the verge of designer drug dealing. Along with a extensive history with low life drug dealing types. (Might one of them been Pimping/Drug Dealing Charlie?)

Jay Sebring according to the cops was into kinky Bondage and whipping submissives as well as into drug abuse.

Parent had a criminal record for petty thieft and pot abuse.

Frykowski was close close friends with Polanski/Sharon.

Sebring and Tate were once engaged. So when's the last time you called over your steady kinky ex to live you while your husband/wife is out of town?

That there was an adult movie shot on the Tate/Polanski property in the months while Sharon/Polanski were out of country in 1969) and numerous drug parties head on the property as well.


These folks were not as innoncent as history likes to play it.

Tex Watson claimed (in the interviews and such) that they brought the rope with them and used it to restrain Sebring/Tate by tying it to their necks and using the rafter for leverage to keep Sebring and Tate from running off.

Why use a rafter? When one could easily just easlily run the rope around them as they are forced to stand back to back. No. Watson and the rest use a mock hanging (bondage) method?? Nor was the rope ever tight enough to hold anyone??

Another thing...

Its a HOT summers night, unusally hot. Tate is in a binki top and shorts, Folger is in a night gown. Sebring and Frylowiski FULLY dressed in heavy clothing? With no air conditioner at Midnight no less?

The bit abt using a rafter...mock hanging, a part of making it witchy, nuttie appearce, the more out rageous, to shock whitey...

I thought I read that Frykowski, Folger, and possibly Sebring had just taken the drug MDA (supplied by Frykowski) after returning from the restaurant.
I do not remember where I read that....anyone else know?

It was also suggested in an article (maybe the same one) that The Family became aware that Frykowski might be holding a large quantity of the MDA as well as cash....and that this information was one of the reasons for going to the Tate house.

Honestly, I don't even remember ever reading about it, but life is just too easy these days. Just go to:

Google.com > More > Books > in 'Search Books' enter: frykowski mda

and you will find a number of books mentioning it. It even looks like the later authors all copied it from the original standard works about the case.

[quote="Sent_By_The_Devil"]I thought I read that Frykowski, Folger, and possibly Sebring had just taken the drug MDA (supplied by Frykowski) after returning from the restaurant.
I do not remember where I read that....anyone else know?

MDA was found in the tox screen of Frykowski & Folger;
Cocaine residue found in tox screen of Sebring;
No toxins in Tate.

There is NO living corroboration of WHEN MDA was ingested by Fry & Folger, just that it was in their system in large enough quantities to show up on the tox screens.

ONLY LIVING witness as to Folger's behavior that night, was from her Mother - she had called Gibby at the Tate house that night to confirm their meeting the following day; and her Mother said she thought her daughter sounded normal but a bit "High" on something.

Nightshade wrote:FIRST HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION PROGRESS REPORT
Its a HOT summers night, unusually hot. Tate is in a bikini top and shorts, Folger is in a night gown. Sebring and Frykowski FULLY dressed in heavy clothing? With no air conditioner at Midnight no less?

It wasn't "heavy" clothing that Jay & Voytek had on, IMO.
Jay had on light dress slacks and a silk-looking shirt;
Voytek had on the same type of thing with a very light over-vest;
Both men had on the fashion statement of the late 60s - those short side zip boot-like shoes - everyone from Elvis to Tom Jones wore those then.

Jay wouldn't be in bedtime wear because he was NOT staying there overnight.

I guess, what I'm saying is I'm not sure what you find so odd about what everyone was wearing...

Clarification would be welcome, thanks!

Nightshade wrote:FIRST HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION PROGRESS REPORT
Folger, Frykowski, Parent, Polanski, Sebring

http://www.charliemanson.com/documents/ ... port-1.htm

Reading the Homicide report something jumpped out to rather strongly. Folger, Frykowski were no saints. These two were heavly into drug abuse and Fryhowski was on the verge of designer drug dealing. Along with a extensive history with low life drug dealing types. (Might one of them been Pimping/Drug Dealing Charlie?)

Jay Sebring according to the cops was into kinky Bondage and whipping submissives as well as into drug abuse.

Parent had a criminal record for petty thieft and pot abuse.

Frykowski was close close friends with Polanski/Sharon.

Sebring and Tate were once engaged. So when's the last time you called over your steady kinky ex to live you while your husband/wife is out of town?

That there was an adult movie shot on the Tate/Polanski property in the months while Sharon/Polanski were out of country in 1969) and numerous drug parties head on the property as well.


These folks were not as innoncent as history likes to play it.

Tex Watson claimed (in the interviews and such) that they brought the rope with them and used it to restrain Sebring/Tate by tying it to their necks and using the rafter for leverage to keep Sebring and Tate from running off.

Why use a rafter? When one could easily just easlily run the rope around them as they are forced to stand back to back. No. Watson and the rest use a mock hanging (bondage) method?? Nor was the rope ever tight enough to hold anyone??

Another thing...

Its a HOT summers night, unusally hot. Tate is in a binki top and shorts, Folger is in a night gown. Sebring and Frylowiski FULLY dressed in heavy clothing? With no air conditioner at Midnight no less?

Its funny no ones a saint until there dead, hell no these people where not saints dont make anything right, look at tates poor old husband now to bad he wasnt there that nigth because what he has done is just as bad i dont care what anyone says

[/quote]Its funny no ones a saint until there dead, hell no these people where not saints dont make anything right, look at tates poor old husband now to bad he wasnt there that nigth because what he has done is just as bad i dont care what anyone says[/quote]

Yes, no one, I think, is saying that these victims were sin-free, but victims they still are and never deserved this kind of end to their lives.

As for Roman, well, his banishment from the US is the moral price he has had to pay for screwing around with a 12 year old girl.

Justice may be blind but it's in the blindness that all things judged by it become just in the end...

Many, although not all, of these things (transgressions?) were mentioned in Bugliosi and/or Sanders' books. It would be naive to assume these people were living Mayberry-like existences. Of course, they were of a time, place, and social set wherein these things were the norm. Perhaps a bit extreme in some instances. However, as Ms Burb points out, it doesn't make any of these people deserving of death, by vicious means or otherwise. They are tragic Victims, period.

As for Roman Polanski......is his banishment from the U.S. really a punishment?

j

zeppelinguy wrote:

No. Watson and the rest use a mock hanging (bondage) method??

Bondage was not the reason. Charlie bought that rope. He thought up the idea of hanging dead bodies. However, Charlie stole the hanging thing from stunt man Randy Starr who practiced mock hangings at Spahn. Charlie was fascinated by Randy Starr hanging by a noose.

Wondering what you think about Susan's ,The myth of "Helter Skelter" account of the crimes?
http://www.susanatkins.org/6-Myth.html